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is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code. but if that's politically for difficult, there's a willingness to retain the deductions that they could utilize. >> let me ask you about that. another interesting scenario played out with mitch mcconnell, essentially fill lee bust sistering his own bill. he says it has to guarantee that there won't be another debt ceiling crisis. but could that be where we're headed? >> well, it's certainly possible. it would be a terrible outcome and i think you're hearing business leaders weigh in and say, we don't want to go through this debate only to be followed by another big fight over the debt limit. and we just can't afford every year, every 18 months to have a debate about whether we honor the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. that's no way to run the country. >> what do you think the chances of that happening? >> it's possible. one of the things that the republicans might get as part of this package is another opportunity to make their case around th
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